I apologize for my rants, i stand by my original point which is that access to the spit is for everyone all the time, Imagine if 20 windsurfers were having a long week end race and wanted concessions, would the debate take the same coarse? As far as the gondola, its not something i tend to support but if it helps people who would not otherwise be capable to access the mountains (disabled,elderly) it probably has some value. the peak to peak hasn't really made economic sense according to someone i know who's involved. I do think we need to debate some of the development that happens, Is not what we have already pretty good. I'm not sure if i was supposed to give an honest answer or if I'm being mocked but I will assume what Lincoln coined "The Better Angels of Our Nature" Lester I don't like the idea of a blog as i have found the experience to be somewhat toxic.